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What the hell is that about? Typically speaking you can find tons of information on the dozens of different fraternal organizations and their dress and swords but not with this weird guy. The real puzzle about this thing is it has several different motifs about it from nautical and church to standard knight type scenery and a couple other things?
I can't even research the original owners name engraved on the blade so pull out your books fellas and finally help me uncover the deal on this thing, oh after a couple years one thing I thought of might explain the sword was an idea that maybe it was a salesmans tool? You know showing the different options a company can offer you on their products and samples of how they look mounted on the scabbard and handle and all that jazz but that was the only thing I could think of that might explain the different motifs displayed on the sword and scabbard?
I mean I've seen different portions of the sword and scabbard decorations on several different fraternal orders but never all of them on o e specific order? So with no further ado I'll try to post some of the pictures of the sword and scabbard I just want to know what I have here It's been driving me crazy for ten years trying to figure out where it came from or what it means to be a select knight Wait I already know where it came from But why was it made and what is it's significance?
Thanks a Ton Guys and Girls Bill. Glen C. Hi Bill, Welcome To Sword Forum International There are a few hurdles that may cause some not to easily attach images but using the manage attachment button below the text entry window is pretty straight forward and somewhat described in the section linked above the indexes and each post.
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Good luck with all that but information you may find useful in the future. As to your sword itself, any acronym of letters may better identify a fraternal sword. There is also the possibility it is just a militia or cadet sword of some sort without more embellishment. An acronym displayed somewhere on the sword or scabbard will be helpful. I am curious as to the term Select Knight, as I have no catalogs for Pettibone or books with that designation.
Is that actually marked so on the sword? How, when and where has that label been attached to this example? Cheers Hotspur; then again, it may remain a mystery forever. I have a few of those and not just fraternal pieces. This book should answer some of your questions, if not all of them -. Attached Images. Join Date Jan Posts 9. Greetings, I read your plea for help in Identifying a fraternal sword. I am not an expert in this field but I think I can be of some help to you.
You see I am a member of a fraternal group. I am the current President and I know a bit about swords like you have. I still use old swords in our rituals. In the old days, we were incorperated in but were active long before before we were called K. Louis and the Knights of St. George that gave to outstanding members mainly for good deeds special awards.
We now call these awards Knight of the Year, Grand Knight and so on. They sometimes gave presentation swords to these sir knights. I think our historian might be able to identify the name if this is one of our swords. I hope you find this helpful, good luck and good Knight! Hi Dominic, Welcome and thanks for the additional information.
As with Bill's offering, pictures can often save a thousand words. Unfortunately, it seems the thread was almost a hit and run. With the dozens of fraternal groups, it is great that some can recognize some of the minutae you have mentioned. Some of these motifs such as the nautical seem to be included on swords that may well be suited for all occasions.
I have seen these displays on the swords with an ovoid counterguard and the form like an military staff and field sword. I do kind of have a soft spot for the fraternal swords and try to soak up what information I do come across here.
The Knights Of St. John can now be added to the general database here and having someone with personal experience with the swords, always appreciated and welcome additions. I have a file jst a wee bit too large to attach here but have it hosted elsewhere. The document was once on a website and was fortunately saved when the page went down. Sorry for taking so long to update and add pictures OK so here are the pictures of the Sword i question.
Thank you very very much!!!!!! Originally Posted by Dominic Madonia. Hi Bill, I got up this morning and viewed your sword. It looks like many of the swords that we use. I think what you have there is a masonic presentation sword, they have similar rituals and I suspect that it might be for one of the higher degrees.
All this said, it still might be a custom sword made especially for the named on the blade. If indeed it was made for a catholic group it would have some Identification on it. All the other embellishments are found on a lot of our swords, this is not limited to a particular maker as I have a old KstL sword with the same handle and knight embellishments, made by Henderson Ames. It is a Sir Knight sword in silver. I bet there were a lot of Rileys in the masons also.
Hi glen, Thanks for the comment. I am just trying to help and I might learn something along the way! I stumbled across S. I must admit that this is a very professional site. I will mention this to my Brother Knights at the next roundtable.
One of My goals is to set up a site where we can inventory all of our stuff so that future knights can research their collections. This will be a challenge as most of us are not computer savvy, I just got a Digital camera and camcorder, so I guess I can get started! Well, it does bear an SK or KS monogram on the scabbard. Another issue is that it does not say select, it reads selec.
Give me some time with that and other representations. More references on the balde description of symbology may also help. The anchors in the guard ends really does to me make one go "well, looky there". Thanks again Dominic Hey Dominic thanks again for the wealth of information, about the embelishments on the sword I've seen almost all of the different decorations on different swords but until this one I had never seen all of them on one specific sword like some would be on a KOC group and another on KTS swords, and so on, with the exception of the skelatal hand on a bible and the double knights back to back but as far as the other stuff it seemed pretty common to see them on different swords which was a bit odd to me for them all to be on one sword oh thanks for the compliment on the sword, it's always been my favorite anyway I still think your right about it being a special presentation sword or something along those lines As a New London Regalia customer , you will receive the very best in values and service.
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